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The next is the complete transcript of the year-end CBS Information correspondents roundtable with Jan Crawford, David Martin, Robert Costa, Catherine Herridge and Jeff Pegues that aired on Sunday, Dec. 24, 2023 on “Face the Nation.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: Good morning and welcome to Face the Nation on this Christmas Eve.
It is custom right here at CBS Information to assemble our Washington reporters and look ahead to the yr forward. We start with our beat reporters right here within the nation’s capital. David Martin is CBS Information nationwide safety correspondent. Jan Crawford is our chief authorized correspondent. Robert Costa is our chief election and marketing campaign correspondent. Catherine Herridge, senior investigative correspondent, and Jeff Pegues is our chief nationwide affairs and justice correspondent. So thanks all for celebrating with us and being right here on the desk.
Jan, I need to begin with you as a result of we’re heading right into a yr the place the Supreme Courtroom goes to play such a central function to our politics. We noticed simply this previous week, the Colorado Supreme Courtroom dominated that the previous President Donald Trump might be disqualified from holding workplace as a result of he engaged in revolt main as much as January 6, how agency of a legal-legal floor is that this on right here?
JAN CRAWFORD: I imply, sure, I imply, the courtroom goes to be entrance and middle and the presidential marketing campaign. And that is simply one in every of various points that these justices are going to need to confront within the upcoming yr. This one requested whether or not or not he is even certified for being president, I imply, for operating for president due to a clause within the 14th Modification.
Now, the Colorado Supreme Courtroom was sharply divided on this, 4 to three. And that is a choice it reached, saying he wasn’t certified underneath this provision that different state Supreme Courts have seen in a different way. There are numerous issues with the arguments that they adopted, that they type of simply blow proper by, and the Supreme Courtroom, I do not assume goes to type of give it that type of gloss. I imply, among the questions that I believe the courtroom will look very intently at in the event that they take this up, and I believe they need to take this case up, is how Trump may be thought-about an insurrectionist if he was not charged or convicted of revolt, and whether or not or not the 14th modification and this part particularly would even apply to him in any respect, as somebody who’s a former president or operating for president.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However aside from this specific case, there are others that the Supreme Courtroom might take up in relation to the previous president and present front-runner for the Republican nomination.
JAN CRAWFORD: I imply, it is type of like whack-a-mole, proper? You understand, such as you acquired one over right here and you bought to attempt to, you already know, he’ll attempt to put this one up and knock it down. So with that, one is, after all, the brink query of whether or not or not he may even be thought-about certified to run for workplace.
The — One other main challenge, authorized challenge brewing is whether or not he may be prosecuted criminally for among the actions round Jan. 6. Now, a federal district courtroom decide right here in DC stated that he was not completely immune from prosecution as the previous president, the particular counsel who has after all charged, the previous president, with the actions round Jan. 6, has requested the Supreme Courtroom and naturally, we’ll see how they deal with this, has requested the Supreme Courtroom to leap over an appeals courtroom and determine whether or not or not the previous president United States is immune from felony prosecution for actions he took in workplace. That can also be a serious case involving whether or not or not Trump is even going to be standing trial within the subsequent yr, for Jan. 6.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is a large request to return from the particular counsel, it is uncommon to attempt to carry all of it the best way to the courtroom this shortly proper on an expedited foundation? All the things about —
JAN CRAWFORD: All the things about that is uncommon. No president has ever been charged with against the law.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Honest level, honest level.
JAN CRAWFORD: You may have all of this. And that is what’s so fascinating in regards to the Supreme Courtroom. I imply, you already know, you go look, and I am making an attempt to say what is the courtroom going to do with this? Oh, wow. You understand, there’s probably not numerous circumstances to take a look at, as a result of a lot of that is the difficulty— There are problems with first impression that, that the courtroom goes to have to leap in and and determine.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And this can have main implications, clearly, Bob Costa on the marketing campaign you are overlaying, however inform me what you are listening to about what the Particular Counsel is considering and going via the steps.
ROBERT COSTA: Effectively, I am glad I am sitting subsequent to Jan right here, as a result of I believe we’ll be sitting subsequent to one another lots within the coming yr, as a result of politics is so now intertwined with what is going on on with the Supreme Courtroom.
And as I look forward as a reporter, the marketing campaign goes to return again repeatedly, prone to the excessive courtroom and the way it’ll contemplate Trump’s conduct in and round Jan. 6, whether or not it is the immunity query, whether or not it is in regards to the Jan. 6, defendants who’ve their circumstances coming earlier than the Supreme Courtroom, whether or not it is about how the courts going to proceed, if Trump’s convicted within the Particular Counsel case, all this comes all the way down to what was an revolt, what’s an insurrectionist kind act? What was the president’s function? What did he not do? Did he conspire in opposition to the USA?
And so even when the Supreme Courtroom steps in within the coming days and weeks and guidelines on the Colorado State Supreme Courtroom ruling, there’s nonetheless going to be that final lingering query of what occurs within the Jack Smith particular counsel case and whether or not Trump is dedicated — convicted of conspiring in opposition to the USA.
And based mostly on our reporting at CBS Information, the particular counsel has has telephone information, he has memos and diary entries from key witnesses like former Vice President Mike Pence. Key eyewitness testimony from people who find themselves contained in the Oval Workplace with Trump. And we acquired a little bit of a style of this with the Jan. 6 committee in recent times, however they’d one thing within the particular counsel’s workplace Jan. 6 committee by no means had, which is subpoena energy to actually go deep with witnesses and never simply get public testimony.
In some depositions, they’ve gone deep. And I’ve talked to individuals who’ve participated on this investigation as attorneys, generally whilst witnesses. And it is evident to me based mostly on my conversations with sources that Jack Smith has a sprawling case in opposition to former President Donald Trump.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He additionally has as a result of it’s so unprecedented.
JAN CRAWFORD: And the query is, is he going to. I imply, that is a brief query on immunity is, is he going to have the ability to current that case?
MARGARET BRENNAN And does he- and does he need to and the way far does that get pursued? As a result of this has such implications for the political selections of voters, but additionally arguably the nationwide safety of the nation.14:54:00
ROBERT COSTA
Effectively, Jack Smith is transferring and Choose Chutkin, the decide in Washington, DC, she’s transferring as nicely. And Jeff and I’ve been monitoring that, and this can be a case that is making an attempt to maneuver ahead in March. However due to every little thing that is earlier than the Supreme Courtroom, we may see that Jan. 6 case not begin an excessive amount of later within the yr, if it ever begins in any respect. So that you see an aggressive prosecutor in Jack Smith, however no ensures on timing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Catherine and Jeff, I do know you’ve got talked to numerous regulation enforcement sources as nicely. What is the diploma of concern about what occurs how- as this performs out within the coming yr?
JEFF PEGUES: Already regulation enforcement throughout the nation is coping with an uptick in home terrorism circumstances? You were- you have been speaking about the way you two may be sitting subsequent to one another in the- within the coming yr?
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JEFF PEGUES: Yeah. Which is an effective factor. I’d be part of you sooner or later, as a result of there’s this concern about how will the general public react if there’s a conviction in any of those circumstances, and already, the variety of home terrorism circumstances that they have been investigating the FBI particularly, in comparison with the variety of worldwide terrorism organizations and people sorts of circumstances, there are about operating even, so regulation enforcement is can also be very centered on stopping any type of home terrorism. 14:55:16
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Simply to select up on what Jeff is saying, based mostly on my reporting, we’re on this extremely dynamic risk atmosphere proper now. The latest bulletins speak about a heightened risk atmosphere all through the winter, not simply across the holidays, and New 12 months’s Eve, which is what we historically see. And the main target squarely is on lone actors or lone offenders, people who’re impressed by occasions abroad, or they’re impressed to behave radicalized by home occasions, and really opportunistic. So it talks about automotive ramming assaults, it talks about weapons, it talks about knives, and a really quick, what regulation enforcement calls flash to bang, that interval in between eager to act after which making the choice to behave.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And David Martin, this, here is the place I need to flip to you, as a result of we have already got all this form of kindling out right here. After which you may have an enormous occasion, like we noticed with Oct. 7, the assault in Israel and the next very brutal struggle that continues to play out that the USA is absolutely making an attempt to carry to a conclusion. How far out are we as a result of that’s elevating issues about US nationwide safety at residence?
DAVID MARTIN: Effectively, the Israelis have instructed the U.S., they assume they will wrap up the present section, which is that this basic offensive in opposition to Hamas in Gaza, in early January.
However then they are saying this struggle goes to go on for months. Hamas has been in comparison with ISIS. So it is value remembering that our struggle with ISIS began throughout the Obama administration. We overran the final ISIS stronghold within the Trump administration. And right here we’re within the Biden administration and particular operations forces are nonetheless conducting the occasional raid into japanese Syria to go after an ISIS chief. Now, Gaza is much more restricted than japanese Syria–
MARGARET BRENNAN: It is simply 25 miles.
DAVID MARTIN: And that, hopefully will preserve this from being a yearslong battle. However terrorist organizations die laborious. That is simply the very fact.
MARGARET BRENNAN And you’ve got had the Protection Secretary mainly say this might create extra radicalization due to what’s taking place there, but additionally the impressions and what the world is watching when it comes to this use of American Pressure.
DAVID MARTIN: Win the battle however lose the struggle.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Precisely.
DAVID MARTIN: Remove Hamas, however change into much less safe due to your techniques, that are dropping you worldwide assist, and creating a complete new chain era of younger folks that need nothing however to see the destruction of Israel. That is, that is the lethal recreation that Israel was enjoying right here. However they, they positive do not present any indicators of backing off their authentic intention to remove Hamas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: No and that is spilling out publicly now in these variations between Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Biden within the imaginative and prescient for what occurs subsequent and the way this performs out. Within the Center East, as nicely, David, the administration likes to say, whereas they might not have the ability to persuade the Israeli prime minister to do what they need, they assume they’ve largely contained this from turning into the worst-case state of affairs they imagined of a wider regional struggle. However there’s nonetheless numerous harmful exercise taking place.
DAVID MARTIN : Effectively, you’ve got had over 100 assaults by Iranian-backed militias in opposition to American troop places in Iraq and Syria. The Houthis, who most individuals had by no means heard of earlier than the beginning of this struggle, these- these rebels in- in Yemen, who have been additionally backed by Iran have are available in on the facet of Hamas, and have fired greater than 100 missiles and drones, both at Israel, or at any ship passing by that they assume could also be coming both to or from Israel. And the US is making an attempt very laborious to not let both of these conditions get out of hand. After 100 assaults on American troops, you must retaliate some, you possibly can’t let the opposite guys simply get free pictures. And so they have taken some retaliatory strikes, however they’re very restricted. And I believe that may keep the identical except and till one in every of these mortars, one in every of these rockets, one in every of these drones, will get via and kills or severely injures People. After which the entire calculus modifications. With the Houthis, the simple factor is to go after the websites, that are launching these- these drones and these missiles. The US as a substitute is making an attempt to type this worldwide consortium of navies that may patrol the Purple Sea, we’ll see what number of international locations really contribute ships to this. And the Houthis have already stated they do not care, they’re gonna preserve attacking. And the transport corporations and the oil corporations have their very own resolution, which is simply to keep away from the Purple Sea, go round Africa, though it takes one other additional two weeks to get there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And would possibly increase costs.
DAVID MARTIN: And would possibly increase costs.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And would possibly increase costs by the best way, carry it again to the economic system. Effectively, there’s loads to be involved about on that entrance, however again on the home entrance. Jeff and Catherine, one of many issues that we proceed to trace with this lack of progress concerning a brand new settlement for the US border is that this diploma of crossing that’s taking place on very excessive ranges, generally not from Latin America, however younger males, specifically, from different international locations of origin. CBP put out a bulletin speaking about this, that they are really see cartels bringing folks from Africa, to transit via the USA border. What are they fascinated with this at Homeland Safety and the FBI?
JEFF PEGUES: Effectively, it’s clearly a safety concern. You probably have issues like this and the inflow of migrants via these borders, it’s- it could be comparatively simple to overlook somebody linked to a terrorist group making an attempt to slide via the border. I believe whether or not you are Republican or Democrat on this challenge, I believe proper now, all people’s seeing that. Whether or not they get something finished in Congress is- is a giant query. And you’ve got CBP officers, they’re asking for extra assist, as a result of irrespective of how many individuals they surge to the border, for some purpose, they’re all the time outnumbered. They do not have the sources that they want. Along with that, you may have these cartels who’ve change into pretty refined at getting folks in. If the CBP surges to 1 space, they will transfer to the subsequent. So that they’re discovering holes within the system.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: It is not nearly overseas nationals coming who might pose a nationwide safety risk. I’ve heard from whistleblowers at CBP who additionally complain that the gathering of DNA from individuals who come into the nation, one thing they’re purported to do just isn’t being finished on a mass scale they usually need that DNA to allow them to run it in opposition to an current FBI database of chilly circumstances to allow them to perceive whether or not the people who find themselves coming again into the nation are additionally linked to excellent crimes.
JAN CRAWFORD: Aren’t there 10,000? How many individuals are coming within the nation now? 10,000?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: They’re numbers that may’t be processed.
JAN CRAWFORD: How may you possibly- right here you are speaking 10,000 or extra folks a day coming in illegally.
MARGARET BRENNAN Effectively, or being encountered, and- and that is a part of the argument with altering immigration regulation to mainly make it more durable to say asylum. However there are such a lot of large points dealing with the nation proper now. It is like nearly unattainable to squeeze all of them in. However to return to the authorized challenges and the broader questions on our establishments and the way they’re functioning, Catherine, you may have this extraordinary job of overlaying the President’s personal son and his authorized points. Hunter Biden, with these indictments, three associated to a firearm, felony counts, 9 associated to tax points. The place does this go?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: 2024 goes to be a yr of unbelievable authorized publicity for the president’s son and these felony prosecutions are going to unfold on the identical time that his father is operating for reelection.
In January, he shall be arraigned in a California Courtroom on the tax prices. And I might pay particular consideration to the California case. I had two attorneys take a look at the 56-page indictment. And so they reached the identical conclusion that it’s a shot throughout the bow by the particular counsel. He identifies Hunter Biden as a lawyer, a guide, and a lobbyist after which goes into appreciable element about his enterprise transactions with Ukraine, with China, Romania and others.
And so they see this as an indicator that the particular counsel on the very least is investigating potential violations of overseas lobbying legal guidelines, possibly even a superseding indictment. And that issues, as a result of that overlaps with what Republicans are doing in Congress with their impeachment inquiry. And it was this challenge of overseas lobbying that led to the derailment of that July plea listening to. There was simply this unbelievable second in courtroom when the prosecutor was requested whether or not he would rule out future prices on overseas lobbying, and he stated “no,” and that’s when the deal fractured.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Bob, how- we take a look at the transcripts of what all of the candidates say, and Donald Trump spends numerous time speaking in regards to the President’s son and these authorized points. As this performs out in a courtroom, you already know, how essential are the information to voters and the way essential is the notion and the way do you make sense of this?
ROBERT COSTA: Effectively, a minimum of contained in the Democratic Occasion, there’s mass assist for President Biden. Privately, a few of them say, President Jimmy Carter had his brother Billy, President Invoice Clinton had his brother Roger, that non-public endeavors of siblings or kids have all the time been a problem in presidential politics.
And till Democrats imagine there’s proof introduced, if ever, that ties President Biden on to his son’s enterprise endeavors when it comes to being a lobbyist or being somebody who’s influencing coverage, coordinated together with his son, they’re going to proceed from the rank and file to the management be behind President Biden. And you have not seen any Democrat of be aware come out about President Biden’s connection together with his son as something greater than familial and one thing that presents an issue. Once I’m speaking to voters, it is largely Republican voters who see this as a critical challenge.
Although the Home Republicans who’re investigating Hunter Biden have been stymied by Hunter Biden. He has declined- declined to take part in a deposition. He needs to have public testimony as Catherine has lined extensively. And for now, Congressman Dan Goldman of New York and different Democrats have instructed me they’re okay with Hunter defying a congressional subpoena, which is kind of a press release to listen to from a lawmaker, but it surely’s indicative of the place Democrats are on this challenge.
Once I’m on the marketing campaign path, although, Margaret, whether or not it is Jared Kushner and his involvements with enterprise dealings on overseas soil, or it is Hunter Biden and his, I do not hear this rise to the extent of dialog. It is what you all the time speak about on this program. Voters are speaking about kitchen desk points, whether or not it is Republican or Democrat, the economic system, financial ache, how they see inflation on the grocery retailer or on the pump. Typically they go into overseas coverage a bit, however they’re probably not speaking about former President Trump’s authorized challenges or Hunter Biden’s.
MARGARET BRENNAN: He’s speaking about them, as are others, you already know, elevating questions. While you take a look at a few of these candidates and their rhetoric about, once more, the deep state, bureaucrats, Ron DeSantis stated he needs to slit the throats of bureaucrats Nikki Haley stated she would fireplace numerous the individuals who work on the Justice Division, Donald Trump continues to lift questions on our courtroom system. And Jan, simply larger image, you’ve got watched the Supreme Courtroom for therefore lengthy, a courtroom that Donald Trump says- he takes credit score for shaping the- when it comes to its conservative path. Is there nonetheless religion in it and the way it features now that they’re instantly inserted proper into our politics?
JAN CRAWFORD: We- I imply, President Trump’s nominees, three, actually modified the Courtroom and a way more conservative path and we have seen that very clearly. I imply, that is the Supreme Courtroom that overturned Roe vs. Wade. I imply to that- that, and we have seen the political fallout from that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: For years now.
JAN CRAWFORD: Yeah. And- and so I believe what is going on to be actually fascinating for the Courtroom proper now’s that they are getting these circumstances, as Bob laid out too, that contain the president on any variety of ranges. And it is an actual alternative for the Supreme Courtroom, and significantly the Chief Justice, to point out that they’re above politics. The Courtroom has had all of those contentious points, abortion, affirmative motion, they’ve taken successful in polling, a few of their- the type of the religion and confidence within the courtroom proper now, in line with polls, is at amongst its lowest level ever, nonetheless increased than the opposite two branches and the media, by the best way. However at any charge, so this can be a second now the place they will present that they’re above politics, and that they comply with the regulation, once more, demonstrating that particularly with a few of these Trump circumstances. And I believe that that’s what you are going to see. I believe Trump’s gonna win some, and he’ll lose some. And, you already know, this can be a courtroom that may present they’re following the regulation, not politics.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, one of many establishments that also has some religion in it’s the navy when- if you take a look at public polling. The yr we’re about to start out feels very consequential on the nationwide safety entrance, not solely due to the Center East, due to the struggle that’s enjoying out in Europe at a decisive level, as we debate this Ukraine support bundle. You take a look at Asia, the rising China, this upcoming January election in Taiwan that shall be consequential as nicely. What’s taking place contained in the Pentagon proper now as they gear up for 2024?
DAVID MARTIN: Effectively, they are going in all types of various instructions. However there’s form of two Pentagon’s, there’s the one Pentagon that develops methods and plans for future wars. They’re now centered on China. And, you already know, that’s only a completely completely different ballgame than Ukraine or what’s- what is going on on within the Center East. After which they nonetheless have to fret about- about terrorist organizations. So they are going in all these completely different instructions. However look, throughout the Biden administration, we have had the withdrawal from Afghanistan, we have had the beginning of the struggle in Ukraine, and we have had the beginning of the struggle between Israel and Hamas. They’re type of on- on emergency standby all day, on daily basis as it’s.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Precisely- precisely. And so I say consequential election for that day one, for the subsequent president, or the present one who’s acquired fairly a full inbox at this second. However particular to the problem from China and the place we begin the yr. You understand, I used to be studying, China’s high navy official warned China will present no mercy to anybody who helps impartial Taiwan. And it is being framed as a selection between struggle and peace this upcoming election. Is the American navy and the Chinese language navy in touch but in order that this does not escalate?
DAVID MARTIN: Effectively, they’re making an attempt to- what they’re known as, is talks on the working stage to do the excessive stage contacts. However with every little thing having to do with China, it is difficult. And one of many issues is the Chinese language Minister of Protection, who you’ll assume can be Austin’s- Secretary Austin’s counterpart just isn’t as a result of he doesn’t management forces within the discipline. So that they’re making an attempt to get a gathering between Austin and the actual head of the Chinese language navy who was a vice chairman of the Central Army Fee. And these- these, all of those contacts have been lower off after the journey that then Speaker Nancy Pelosi made to Taiwan. However even earlier than the Pelosi journey, Austin had been unable to get that assembly with the man that actually mattered. However even when they get these contacts going, I imply, China’s conduct just isn’t going to alter in a single day, they’re nonetheless going to harass American surveillance planes within the South China Sea. They’re nonetheless going to maintain increase these disputed islands within the South China Sea. It is simply one other mechanism for managing a really troublesome relationship.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And a minimum of in 2023, they began speaking on the diplomatic stage. I assume that was my brilliant spot. I forgot about it. You simply jogged my memory, David.
DAVID MARTIN; And also you should- it is best to know that the present chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Employees, Normal CQ Brown is now on document as saying he doesn’t imagine President Xi needs to take Taiwan by power.
MARGARET BRENNAN: By power.
DAVID MARTIN: By power.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Doesn’t suggest he does not need to take it.
DAVID MARTIN: Oh, he is made that fairly clear.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure, very clear. Alright, we have now to take a break right here. Face the Nation shall be again in a single minute.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re again with our panel of Washington correspondents. And here is the place you get to foretell, Jeff Pegues, the longer term. What’s- what’s your large prediction?
JEFF PEGUES: Let me see. Let me rub this factor.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your knowledgeable prediction.
JEFF PEGUES: All proper, my knowledgeable prediction. Okay, nicely, that is somewhat simpler, I believe. Crime goes down throughout the nation. You would not assume that based mostly on what you hear when it comes to among the crime on the market, however violent crime is down 13%. The ultimate numbers come out early subsequent yr. Law enforcement officials throughout the nation are understaffed and have managed to basically get their arms round this downside. I predict that this development will proceed. Nonetheless, there are some, you already know, unhealthy areas- carjackings, are- they proceed to skyrocket–
MARGARET BRENNAN: — Sure. Why?
JEFF PEGUES: Effectively, it’s- it is a good query. Some folks assume that a few of it’s fueled by these photos on social media, giving folks concepts. After which there- it is laborious to catch people who find themselves breaking into vehicles and theft. Particularly when you do not have sufficient cops on the road. You do not have cops strolling the beats. In order that’s nonetheless a problem for regulation enforcement. However when it comes to violent crime, it’s happening.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Catherine?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Effectively, mine’s somewhat darkish. I simply really feel numerous concern that 2024 will be the yr of a black swan occasion. It is a nationwide safety occasion with excessive influence that is very laborious to foretell. There are a selection of concerns- issues, I’ve that issue into that. Not solely this form of enduring, heightened risk stage, that we’re dealing with, the wars in Israel, additionally Ukraine. And we’re so divided on this nation in ways in which we have not seen earlier than. And I believe that simply creates fertile floor for our adversaries like North Korea, China and Iran. And that is what issues me most.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Lots of people up at night time with that concern, Catherine. No less than on this city. Bob?
ROBERT COSTA: Speaking to my high Republican sources for months, I have been making an attempt to get a solution to the query of what occurs if former President Trump is convicted in a federal trial or in Georgia, however extra doubtless in a federal trial earlier than the Republican conference. Is there a plan B? And even after I’m manner off the document with elected officers and marketing campaign strategists, they are saying nearly a chorus: no. So if Trump is the nominee, we’re a Republican conference this coming summer season, the place there actually is not any plan to maneuver to a different candidate, the Republican Occasion due to the best way Trump has his fingerprints on every little thing, the state events, the delegates are very a lot in his picture politically, he may maintain on to the nomination, even when he is convicted of a federal crime. So my prediction is, you may need a disaster contained in the GOP come summer season, if Trump’s a convicted felon, however nonetheless no actual plan of how one can deal with that in a basic election marketing campaign.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you really count on the courtroom system to maneuver that shortly, that by this summer season, you might see a conviction?
ROBERT COSTA: It is attainable, every little thing Particular Counsel Jack Smith is doing together with his filings together with his schedule together with Choose Chutkan within the January 6, case, equals velocity. They need to get this transferring come spring, early summer season. After all, as Jan has outlined, the court- the Excessive Courtroom may weigh in may change how every little thing is deliberate when it comes to scheduling, however at this level, they’re transferring.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Which is why you additionally appropriately predict that you just and Jan shall be sitting subsequent to one another answering numerous questions within the subsequent few months.
JAN CRAWFORD: Choosing up off Bob’s level on- on predictions. I imply, I predict that the Supreme Courtroom just isn’t going to avoid wasting Donald Trump from the felony trial. He- they don’t seem to be going to rule that he’s immune from felony prosecution. And I do not assume it is even going to be shut. It might be 9-0 with the chief justice writing the opinion {that a} former president doesn’t have absolute immunity from felony prosecutions for actions they took whereas in workplace.
And I believe that the Supreme Courtroom is- additionally my different prediction is they don’t seem to be going to say Donald Trump is disqualified from operating for president to the California-, I imply, that Colorado Supreme Courtroom resolution. So I believe he’ll stand trial. The Supreme Courtroom just isn’t going to avoid wasting him and he shall be on the poll.
MARGARET BRENNAN: 91 completely different indictments, is that the tally?
ROBERT COSTA: Should you embrace what is going on on with the hush cash funds in New York. He is additionally dealing with the continuing civil fraud trial. Georgia. There’s the E. Jean Carroll case, you are gonna need to have one other hour to actually dig into all of that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. So in case your prediction performs out this- this might be a very fascinating yr. Get your relaxation in now. David, you appropriately predicted final yr, the subsequent chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
DAVID MARTIN: I acquired one proper.
MARGARET BRENNAN: What’s your prediction this yr?
DAVID MARTIN: So this yr, I must predict the invention of alien life to compete–
MARGARET BRENNAN: What! I am sorry?
DAVID MARTIN: Excuse me, I stated I must. I am not. However as a way to compete with a shocker–
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay. I believe- David, if you communicate everybody listens. And I imagine it is completely 100% true truth. So you actually threw me–
JAN CRAWFORD: — It additionally scares us all, yearly.
DAVID MARTIN: I am going to take it from the highest.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay.
DAVID MARTIN: To be able to compete with the shockers that we have developing on this election yr, I must predict one thing like the invention of alien life, however I am not going to go there. As an alternative, I’m going to foretell that North Korea’s Kim Jong Un will reap the rewards of getting offered Putin with artillery for his struggle in Ukraine. And people rewards will take the type of technical support to his nuclear weapons packages. And we cannot realize it till we see North Korea testing new and improved weapons.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And maybe that seventh nuclear take a look at everybody’s been ready for.
DAVID MARTIN: Everybody’s ready for that shoe.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So I- you may have all set the desk superbly for my conclusion, which is that the one certainty is uncertainty. And anybody who tells you what’s going to occur with this election, and the way it’ll play out over the subsequent yr is promoting you one thing as a result of there are simply so many alternative variables that each one of us are monitoring, and all of us are weighing, which is why it’s worthwhile to watch CBS. But it surely’s additionally why none of us will sleep very a lot within the subsequent few months. I need to now return to you, Jeff, and ask you about what was underreported that each one of us ought to have been paying extra consideration to?
JEFF PEGUES: I believe as we head into 2024, I believe we must always take a look at these youthful generations of voters, how engaged they’re and what’s taking place within the Center East and among the different points, local weather change, for instance. I believe we must always watch for the way they end up.
I imply, every- each election yr we speak about how nicely the youth vote can actually make a distinction. This yr, maybe it would due to the extent of engagement that some folks have in comparison with what was taking place throughout the Vietnam interval. Individuals stepping into the streets and actually voicing their opinions. So will there be this form of related response on the polls we’ll need to see.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Underneath reported?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: I simply really feel like we won’t do sufficient reporting on our servicemembers, particularly those that are struggling to get companies who really feel that their claims have been wrongly denied. Frankly, I really feel that there are occasions when the Protection Division and the VA it is not erring on the facet of the veteran.
And I believe after 20 years of struggle, the worldwide struggle on terror, so many are retiring with complicated bodily and emotional calls for. And we’re merely not doing sufficient and we have to do extra reporting and have extra accountability.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Bob?
ROBERT COSTA: So typically once we speak in regards to the Democratic Occasion in our reporting, not simply right here, however all over the place, we’re centered rightly on President Biden and among the progressive forces within the occasion like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortes.
However an underreported story, in my opinion, is the story of Democratic governors who’re rising all through the nation. They do not get numerous consideration, Gavin Newsom does in California. However Andy Beshear simply received a gubernatorial election in 2023 in Kentucky. You may have Jared Polis in Colorado, Gretchen Whitmer, in Michigan, Josh Shapiro and Pennsylvania.
Together with the progressives in Congress, it is these governors are beginning to outline a brand new democratic occasion that is making some beneficial properties in locations just like the South and even within the Virginia elections in latest months, you noticed abortion rights come to the fore. And Democrats have been seizing on that challenge in a state that is still a battleground. So I’ll preserve being attentive to these governors, how within the post-Biden period, whether or not that is January of 2025, or January of 2029. How will they outline the occasion?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jan?
JAN CRAWFORD: I’ll decide up on one thing that- that Jeff was speaking about. I imply, I believe what has been actually underreported is one thing that is been brewing for years. And that’s the main and dramatic change of the attitudes that we’re seeing on school campuses. Shifting from you already know, like this basic liberal precept the place free speech is bedrock.
The First Modification is sacrosanct, to now, type of, any unrestricted speech is dangerous. That is additionally framed with this sort of thought, the- the philosophy of victimhood and oppress versus oppressors. And we’re seeing that play out in any variety of methods in our politics, particularly, most dramatically after the terrorist assault in Israel within the wake of Oc. 7, folks have been shocked by what they noticed type of unfolding on school campuses that is been brewing for a lot of, a few years.
And it’s changing among the basic liberal philosophies and transferring to one thing very completely different that I believe we’ll see play out in any variety of methods.
MARGARET BRENNAN: David?
DAVID MARTIN: I am going to decide a pentagon program known as Replicator, rhymes with Terminator. And it is a plan to discipline, inside 18 months, 1000s of small, low cost, autonomous autos, drones, satellites, boats, that he would ship off, and they might function on themselves- by themselves. That is, partially to make up for China’s benefits in numbers. However past that, it is a part of this cosmic shift that is happening from the Data Age to the Age of Synthetic Intelligence.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And automation, my gosh. So my underreported, and I really feel like there are such a lot of of them proper now.
However I do need to acknowledge how laborious it’s for therefore many individuals to exit and inform the reality on the bottom as reporters as of late and dwell. 64 journalists killed in the middle of only a few weeks throughout this struggle between Israel and Hamas. It is extremely troublesome to even get in to report in Gaza. And I am proud, as I am positive all of us are of our colleagues who proceed to take action whereas reporting on the destruction of the place they dwell in actually troublesome instances.
But it surely’s not simply there. How laborious it’s to get a visa to get in and report on the bottom in China, the adversary the U.S. must know probably the most about and infrequently is aware of the least about. In Russia, the place you possibly can even report on the struggle taking place in Ukraine freely and overtly. And that hurts our potential to remain knowledgeable.
And as an citizens, every little thing features across the high quality of the knowledge we obtain, to have the ability to take part in democracy. So I just- my hat’s off to the people who find themselves nonetheless in a position to exit in these terribly troublesome conditions and report. So if you complain in regards to the media, folks like that, I do. The opposite bit I need to get you to do and that is laborious, Jeff, excellent news for 2023. Do you may have a excellent news story for us?
JEFF PEGUES: I believed we did that, I assume not?
MARGARET BRENNAN: No. We did predictions. We did underneath report.
JAN CRAWFORD: It says lots if you’re–
JEFF PEGUES: I imply, we could not speak soccer although.
JAN CRAWFORD: Oh, that is my story.
JEFF PEGUES: Oh, I may do the Ravens. However each time I do the Raven, all proper. Excellent news….
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: Would you like me to go?
JEFF PEGUES: You guys. Yeah. Okay.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That sums up the yr. I am going to take a move on 2023. Catherine.15:27:14
CATHERINE HERRIDGE: You understand, I believe the spotlight for me this yr was actually attending to know this retired colonel within the Inexperienced Berets Parris Davis. We first reported on him, his paperwork was misplaced on the peak of the Civil Rights Motion in Vietnam. Lots of people blamed race for the lack of that paperwork. And he acquired the Medal of Honor this yr.
I met him first on the 14th Road Bridge, we did a brush move, he despatched me his paperwork to evaluation. And I stated we acquired a narrative right here. And after nearly 60 years of ready, there was no bitterness in him. There was numerous forgiveness.
And his daughter stated his story actually confirmed the flexibility to form of mend fences and that it is by no means too late to do the fitting factor. And that to me was simply such a brilliant spot on this yr.
ROBERT COSTA: One of many saddest issues in recent times I’ve seen as a reporter goes to the Capitol, particularly throughout the peak of the pandemic and seeing it empty. And up to now yr, I have been actually pleased to see vacationers, college students, mother and father, households again in the USA Capitol, and I used to be there in latest weeks once they had the change within the speakership.
And so they have been altering the signal above the speaker’s door within the Capitol, and there have been no fights. There was no violence like we noticed on Jan. 6, there was just a few selfies being taken with the brand new signal for Speaker Mike Johnson and vacationers have been bustling round. And that may be a citadel for democracy, and for too lengthy, for apparent and comprehensible causes with the pandemic.
Persons are out of the Capitol, however individuals are again in. And that is a particular place to report. It is a particular place to go to. I am glad to see folks again there and again in Washington soaking in our nation’s historical past and democracy.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jan?
JAN CRAWFORD: You understand, I all the time, I imply, I am simply such a sucker for tales when anyone type of, you already know, they- they stand as much as the haters they usually overcome the doubters. And so my feel-good story is how Nick Saban did the best teaching job within the historical past of faculty soccer.
Alabama misplaced the second recreation of the season. The dynasty was useless, Saban was finished, and now Alabama, my Crimson Tide, is again, probably enjoying for a nationwide championship going to the school soccer playoff. It could be Nick Saban and seventh nationwide championship with the Nice College of Alabama, Roll Tide.
DAVID MARTIN: The next delivered to you, proper?
MARGARET BRENNAN: David, you may have excellent news for us?
DAVID MARTIN: This one was simple. Variety within the armed forces. Secretary Austin, first African American Secretary of Protection is now in his third yr. We now have an African American chairman of the joint chiefs of workers. We now have a girl as chief of Naval Operations, the primary feminine member of the joint chiefs of workers. And we have now girls who’re heads of the U.S. southern and U.S. transportation instructions.
I can not say that equality and variety exists all through the ranks. However these are essential excessive profile jobs. And so they, till now, have simply been past the attain of ladies and minorities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is a excellent news story, David. So mine is on the medical entrance. mRNA vaccines put apart COVID the know-how and the analysis continues.
And there have been some breakthroughs from Merck and Moderna lately a few vaccine in opposition to an aggressive type of pores and skin most cancers, there’s analysis into vaccines in opposition to breast most cancers, and that is factor. I believe all of us would in the end prefer to see the elimination or a minimum of the discount and elevated survivability. So that’s excellent news, medical breakthroughs. And we’ll be proper again with much more Face the Nation, stick with us.
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